YCCD Math Dept Meeting
Date: Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012
Time: 10:00 a.m.--3:00 p.m.
Venue: SCC Room S-222
Agenda
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X) Additions to the agenda or rearrange the topics below?
A) Discussions via email: need to have closure (Thoo; 5 minutes)
B) Math 20 placement exam cut score, counseling (Cooper, Chetra; 25 minutes)
C) Common final exams (Thoo; 60 minutes)
1) post-mortem of fall 2012
2) involving adjunct in review
3) setting common expectations and standards (example problems?)
4) common policy for students to take commons early or late
D) Alternate pathways (45 minutes)
1) State Academic Senate resolutions (Steverson)
2) CMC3 Conference presentation by Myra Snell et al. (Steverson, Papin)
3) what about us?
4) evaluating Math 110-111-50-52-20 sequence (Thoo)
E) Stat 1 (Clark; 45 minutes)
- please read Matt's email message appended below before the meeting
F) Update on revised course outlines (Thoo, Chetra; 15 minutes)
1) Math 1ABC, 2, 3 (Thoo)
2) Math 20 (Chetra, Kovacs)
3) Math 21 (Chetra)
G) Textbook selections (everyone; 45 minutes)
1) Math 20: selected Stewart "College Algebra"
2) Math 10: selected COMAP "For All Practical Purposes"
3) Math 9: selected Berresford and Rockett "Applied Calculus"
4) Math 1ABC: considering, need to select now
[If you have a copy of any of these textbooks, please bring them to the meeting. If there are any textbooks that you have not yet reviewed, you may have to review them sometime at the meeting.]
o Briggs, Cochran, Gillett
Calculus for Scientists and Engineers: Early Transcendentals
o Smith, Minton
Calculus: Early Transcendental Functions
o Anton, Bivens, Davis
Calculus: Early Transcendentals
o Hass, Weir, Thomas
University Calculus: Early Transcendentals
o Rogawski
Calculus: Early Transcendentals
H) AOB (any other business)
I) Next DMDM
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On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Matthew Clark wrote:
Hi all,
I hope your finals are progressing smoothly.
I have asked John to place Stat 1 on the agenda for a number of reasons. I am hoping that by presenting the basics of the situations in this email we can expedite the discussion next Tuesday.
(1) According to some people, we have been calculating lab time incorrectly for statistics. They claim that we should be using the same (3 lab hours) = (1 unit) as biology, chemistry... instead of the (2 lab hours) = (1 unit) we currently use. Currently we offer the class as 54 hours lecture (3 units) plus 36 hours lab (1 unit). If we are forced to change to a 3:1 lab ratio and we intend to keep Stat 1 a 4 unit course we would have some options. The two that come to mind most readily are (1) 63 hours lecture and 27 hours lab or (2) 54 hours lecture and 54 hours lab. Option (1) involves half-units. I'm not sure if we can use options that include fractions other that 1/2. [Note that a stat class is currently 4.33 load units for instruction. Option (1) would require 4.5 load units, while option (2) would require 5 load units.]
(2) Consistent with the 3:1, in the transition to CurricUNet, the COR for Stat 1 now shows it as a 3.5 unit class although our catalog and class schedule show it as 4 units. There is already a concern that our catalog, class schedule, CORs, and what we have on file with the Chancellor's office don't match in many cases. We currently have that problem in Stat 1.
(3) A class in either Psych or Soc has a C-ID descriptor that has "a statistics class with ANOVA" as a prerequisite.
(4) The draft C-ID descriptors for Stat 1 include ANOVA, which is not in our COR. It also includes chi-square test (also not in our COR). (Strangely it does not say which chi-square - Goodness-of-fit test, test about population standard deviation, test for independence, and test for homogeneity are all possible suspects.)
All of this leads to many questions. Among them -
(A1) Are we going to resist the change to 3:1?
(A2) If not, how will we configure Stat 1?
(B1) Can we meet C-ID descriptors with 4 units?
(B2) If not do, should we change to a 4.5- or 5-unit class?
(B3) If we change, how should we split the lecture/lab?
(C) If we reconfigure under 3:1 or change the number of units, where will FTEF to support change come from?
It is a mess,
Matt
On Dec 11, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Matthew Clark wrote:
Hi all,
Based on the results of today's DCC meeting, it is my understanding that we will be asked (told) to convert from 2:1 to 3:1 in Stat 1, so the item is gaining imperative (if that is possible).
Matt