Math Dept meeting
May 13, 2013
1000--1300
M-702
Present: Vaughan, Wardlaw, Davidson, Kovacs, Stemmann, Steverson, Thoo
Minutes
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1) Sign up for hours in the HMCA for Fall 2013.
Sarah passed around a sign up sheet for us to volunteer to hold some office hours in the HMCA in Fall 2013.
2) Discuss whether we shall offer Math 58 again.
We decided that we would give it one more college try in Spring 2014. The only two times that we have offered Math 58 in the past, it had to be canceled because of no enrollment.
[N.b. Although we decided to offer Math 58 in Spring 2014, no one elected to teach that course when we developed our Spring 2014 schedules later in the meeting. So Math 58 is still unstaffed at this time.]
3) Brian Juke's email message about proctors at the Sutter County Center.
Brian Jukes had sent us an email message to inform us that it has become increasingly difficult to find proctors for some of the sections for the math commons. It was discussed what we ought to do about this, especially if we have any instructors who have sections at both Sutter and Marysville. We decided to ponder a solution and to propose one by early Fall 2013.
4) Jan Pontecelli's email message about the number of times a student may take Math 50, 50A, and 50B, or Math 52, 52A, and 52B.
Here is an excerpt of Jan's message. "the [sic.] Academic Integrity Committee wanted to touch base with Math faculty relative to the ability of students to repeat Math 50 and 52 over two semesters once they have exhausted their three attempts in the full version of these courses." Thoo reported to the department that had responded to Jan, saying that we had discussed this matter last year, and that we had decided that Math 50, 50A, and 50B would all be considered the same course w.r.t. attempts, and the same for Math 52, 52A, and 52B. So, for example, a student who attempts and fails Math 50 twice then attempts and fails Math 50A would have to petition to take Math 50 or 50A again for a fourth attempt.
The department confirmed this decision, that there is no intention to use Math 50AB or 52AB as means for students to attempt Math 50 or 52 more than three times. It was also confirmed that if, for example, a student attempted and failed Math 50 twice and then attempted and passed Math 50A, the student would have to petition to take Math 50B (because that would be a fourth attempt at the course), but that we would approve the petition automatically in that case.
5) Department meetings in Fall 2013.
It was decided that we would save the 3rd Fridays from 1500 to 1600 for department meetings as needed.
6) We selected classes for our Spring 2014 load. We followed the following order for selecting classes:
Vaughan, Wardlaw, Davidson, Kovacs, Stemmann, Steverson, Newbie (played by Davidson), Thoo
Notes:
a) CANCEL Math 7 M4601, T7756 MW 1400--1450, F 1300--1450
b) ADD Math 58 (new class) day and time TBA by whoever staffs
c) ADD Math 21 at Sutter TTh 1630--1745
d) * = change in day or time from Spring 2013
Vaughan
Math 1B M4552 MTThF 1000--1050
Math 20 M7940 MW 1400--1450, F 1300--1450
T7941 (TV)
Math 52 M4591 MF 0900--0950, W 0800--0950
Math 52 M4589 TTh 0800--0950
Wardlaw
Math 10 M4522 TTh 1030--1145
Math 16 M5440 MW 1800--1915
Math 2B M4558 MWF 1300--1350
Math 3 M4559 TTh 1300--1415
Stat 1 M1225 TTh 1800--1915, LAB 1930--2020
Davidson
None at this time. Waiting to see if any adjunct engineering instructors can be found for Spring 2014 before committing to any mathematics classes.
Kovacs
Math 21 M4555 MWF 1100--1150
Math 52 M1297 MTWTh 1300--1350
T2937 (TV)
Math 52A M5658 TTh 1430--1545
[Sutter]
Math 21* Sutter TTh 1630--1745 [new class to be added]
[Online]
Math 52 D9557
Stemmann
Math 25 M1154 MWF 1000--1050
Math 52 M5793 MW 1430--1620
Stat 1 M2235 MWF 0800--0850, LAB 0900--0950
[Sutter]
Stat 1 S5538 TTh 0900--1015, LAB 1030--1120
[Online]
Math 50 D9694
Steverson
Stat 1 M2087 TTh 1430--1545, LAB 1600--1650
Stat 1 M5277 MWF 1300--1350, LAB 1400--1450
[Online]
Math 52 D9542
Math 52 D9693
Newbie [Noffsinger]
Math 1A M2750 MTWThF 1300--1350
Math 50 M4570 MW 0900--0950, F 0800--0950
Math 50B* M2774 TTh 0900--1015 [change time]
Math 52B M4041 TTh 1030--1145
Thoo
Math 9 M1086 TTh 0800--0950
Math 21 M5690 TTh 1300--1415
Math 50 M1962 MW 1200--1350
Math 111 M5728 MW 1500--1720
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**Email message from Brian Jukes** (see item 3 above)
From: Brian Jukes
Subject: Proctors
Date: May 9, 2013 12:52:34 PM PDT
To: Tina Ramsey , John Thoo
Cc: Walter Masuda , Sheila Suleski
Tina and John,
We have had to find proctors for three English instructors and one math instructor for finals this semester. This is proving increasingly difficult with my very limited staff. I would like it if you could discuss with your respective departments how you will provide proctors for final exams at the SCC in the fall. I will no longer be able to proctor for instructors during finals week, nor will my staff. So we’ll need to identify TA’s or substitutes or some other solution to the problem of faculty not being able to proctor their own finals. Please let me know by the beginning of fall how you will plan to cover for those unable to administer their own finals.
Thanks,
Brian
**Thoo's reply to Juke's email message**
From: "John B. Thoo"
Subject: Re: Proctors
Date: May 11, 2013 7:13:56 AM PDT
To: Brian Jukes
Cc: Tina Ramsey , Walter Masuda , Sheila Suleski , Kristina Page , John Steverson
Dear Brian, Sheila, and JohnS,
Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of it. We will mull this over and come up with a solution.
Thank you again.
---John.
**Email message from Jan Ponticelli** (see item 4 above)
From: Jan Ponticelli
Subject: Math 50/52
Date: May 8, 2013 4:27:08 PM PDT
To: John Thoo
Cc: John Steverson
Hello John,
The attached memo was to have gone out to you a week ago! the Academic Integrity Committee wanted to touch base with Math faculty relative to the ability of students to repeat Math 50 and 52 over two semesters once they have exhausted their three attempts in the full version of these courses. Has Dr. Carabajal touched based with you on this topic? Is there anyway you or a representative could attend our meeting this Friday?
Thank you for your feedback.
Jan
**Contents of attachment to Jan Ponticelli's email message**
Dear Math Faculty,
The Academic Integrity Committee (AIC) is a subcommittee of the Student Services Committee. Its purpose is to ensure that academic standards are maintained consistently throughout the college and its campuses; that students are provided a reasonable opportunity to request an exception to a given academic or college policy; and that regulations or requirements are reviewed for modification as needed. This correspondence is to alert you to recent academic regulation changes relative to the limits of taking a course beyond the allowable three attempts. As you are aware, the Math Department has supported students who have a better opportunity for success when required math courses are split into two semesters. To date,
Student Development and Admissions and Records have treated the full versions of Math 50 and 52 as separate courses from Math 50/52 A and B.
After recent discussion with our Vice Chancellor of Educational Services and a review of course outlines of record, the curriculum offered in all of these courses full version and split] was determined to be the same. This would mean students would be unable to take the split versions of Math 50 and 52 if they have exhausted three attempts at the full version of these courses without successful completion of them. The AIC members wish to encourage your consideration of supporting the effort to distinguish the methodology and content in the split courses to be written in a manner that will set apart these courses from the full versions. The effect of this goal would allow students to repeat Math 50 and 52 over two semesters in order to meet their academic goals.
As such, the AIC would like to invite the Math Department and/or your representative to attend our next meeting on May 10th in room 117 at 10:30 am in order to put our heads together in support of our students. Please respond to Juhree Patterson at 741-6705, if one or more of you may be able to attend our May 10th meeting at 10:30 in Room 117.
**Thoo's reply to Ponticelli's email message**
Begin forwarded message:
From: "John B. Thoo"
Subject: Re: Math 50/52
Date: May 8, 2013 8:46:54 PM PDT
To: Jan Ponticelli
Cc: John Steverson
Dear Jan,
On May 8, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Jan Ponticelli wrote:
Hello John,
> The attached memo was to have gone out to you a week ago! the Academic
> Integrity Committee wanted to touch base with Math faculty relative to the
> ability of students to repeat Math 50 and 52 over two semesters once they
> have exhausted their three attempts in the full version of these courses.
> Has Dr. Carabajal touched based with you on this topic? Is there anyway you
> or a representative could attend our meeting this Friday?
Thank you for your feedback.
Hi.
I will not be able to attend your meeting this Friday May 10 at 1030.
Regarding your letter to the Math-Stat Dept, I note that we had discussed this matter last year. Here is the relevant part of the minutes from that meeting.
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Math Dept meeting
February 24, 2012
Minutes
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1) Lengthy discussion about whether Math 50A, 50B, and 50 should each be considered a separate course w.r.t. repeating. It was decided that they would all be considered one course; so, for example, a student who attempts and fails Math 50 twice then attempts and fails Math 50A would have to petition to take Math 50 or 50A again for a fourth attempt. Kirk will communicate our decision to Kendyl Magnuson.
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As you can see, it was the decision of the Math-Stat Dept at then that Math 50, 50A, and 50B shall all be considered separate courses vis-a-vis attempts, so you are right that a student who has exhausted his number of attempts in Math 50 would not then be able to start Math 50A without a petition; and by extension likewise for Math 52, 52A, and 52B.
There is no difference between Math 50 and Math 50A-plus-50B in either methodology or content, and there is likewise no difference between Math 52 and Math 52A-plus-52B.
[JohnS: Please chime in if I have erred on any point. Thanks.]
Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.
---John.
**Thoo's follow up reply to Ponticelli**
From: "John B. Thoo"
Subject: Re: Math 50/52
Date: May 8, 2013 9:37:10 PM PDT
To: Jan Ponticelli
Cc: John Steverson
Dear Jan,
I was mistaken when I wrote, "it was the decision of the Math-Stat Dept at then that Math 50, 50A, and 50B shall all be considered separate courses vis-a-vis attempts"; what I meant to say is that it was the decision of the Math-Stat Dept than that Math 50, 50A, and 50B shall _not_ be considered separate courses vis-a-vis attempts.
So, for example again, a student who attempts and fails Math 50 twice then attempts and fails Math 50A would have to petition to take Math 50 or 50A again for a fourth attempt. Or, as your example, a student who attempts and fails Math 50 three times would have to petition to take Math 50A for the fourth attempt.
Thanks.
---John.